Kindness Is The Comeback

One bad stretch can make you believe you’re stuck as the worst thing that happened to you, and that’s exactly what we push back on with Jesse Lewis. Jesse is a professional stage hypnotist whose live shows vanished during Canada’s COVID shutdowns, and the fallout hit fast: lost income, a divorce, and a season of life where he lived in the cab of his truck on the side of a mountain in British Columbia.

We talk through what survival actually looks like when there’s no clean “turning point.” Jesse shares the unglamorous details: limited service, a snowbank as a fridge, reading to stay mentally sharp, and calling his kids as often as possible. He explains why the comeback wasn’t a dramatic breakthrough, but a thousand quiet choices like showing up to a job he didn’t want, refusing to miss child support, and rebuilding self-respect one decision at a time.

From there, we get practical. Jesse tells the story of building a hot dog cart from salvaged parts during the shutdown, turning it into a licensed operation, and eventually using that momentum to return to corporate events and stage performance. We also dig into the deeper theme of the Kindness Matters podcast: why kindness isn’t weakness. Jesse frames kindness as honor, truth told with care, and boundaries that keep you from giving yourself away. If you’re navigating burnout, divorce recovery, financial stress, or a total reset after the pandemic, this conversation offers real resilience tools and a reminder that you can keep moving forward.

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Transcript

Welcome And Why Kindness Matters

SPEAKER_00 0:00

This is the kindness matters podcast. Let's bring us a little closer together. If you've been looking for a reminder of the good and people, you're in the right place. Because kindness matters and so do you. Hey, hello, and welcome everybody. Thank you so much for for being here and you're listening to the kindness matters podcast. And I'm your host, Mike Rathman. Just in case you might have just you know wandered in off the street or something, you didn't know where you were, that's where you are. And uh, but I I I so appreciate you guys. Um, those of you who who show up, um, you know, we we've all we've only got so many hours in a day, and the fact that you chose 30 minutes to take out of your day to carve out of your busy schedule to listen to this podcast, um I am so grateful and thank you so much for that. Um, we have a fantastic show today. You guys are gonna love this. Uh, my guest today is Jesse Lewis. Um, he's a professional stage hypnotist whose greatest transformation didn't happen under the bright lights, but in the stillness of a mountain. What brought him back wasn't a single breakthrough, but a thousand small, quiet choices. The choice to stay kind when it was easier to get bitter, to keep his standards high when nobody was watching, to rebuild slowly and with integrity. Today, Jesse's back on stage performing and thriving, but the real story is how he learned that kindness isn't weakness, it's the discipline that holds us together when life falls apart. Welcome to the show, Jesse Lewis. Hi, Mike. How's it going? I really do need some some canned applause there, I think. I don't know. Maybe not. Yeah, yeah. The crowd goes wild. Hi. And that was quite the setup, wasn't it? I was I had a longer intro written, but it kind of gave away some of your story, and I thought I'd save that for you.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

It's okay. I I'm easy either way. The world is wonderful. The longer you go, the more boring it is. Conversation's better anyway. Right. Right.

When The Pandemic Stops The Stage

SPEAKER_01 2:30

So uh this all okay, so your what do we call it?

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Your your turning point, your came for a lot of just like with a lot of folks during the pandemic, didn't it? Yeah.

unknown 2:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

The pandemic was a kick in the head for everybody. And depending on where you lived, some places didn't shut down at all. I'm up in Canada. We shut down for two years straight. We couldn't have more than 10 people in an audience. So how do you perform with 10 people in an audience? It's not a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

I know I know some speakers who were speaking during the pandemic and they would do that virtually. Can you do what you do virtually?

SPEAKER_02 3:11

I could do hypnosis shows virtually. The problem comes with I need to know who my volunteers are. And if somebody, let's say I had 150 people on a Zoom meeting. Well, even in gallery, you only see 10 of them, right? It's it's not inherently dangerous to get hypnotized, but in my view, if you're not visually able to see the person, I think it's a pretty dumb thing to do. Uh just for safety reasons.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Um it's it's suggestions, right? Is what you use. Yeah. So when you're speaking to a group of 150, they're all hearing the suggestion, right? Okay, yeah, I could see where that might be problematic.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Yeah, and we actually experienced one of the problems that can happen before we came on, right? Where it went all glitchy for a second on here. Well, if things are glitching out for the video, maybe it's glitching out for the people too. So we gotta be a little bit careful.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

So Yeah. Yeah. So so talk to me about

Divorce And Life In A Truck

SPEAKER_00 4:10

what happened during the pandemic. I mean, aside from it just being the pandemic, your your situation was probably more than most people experienced.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Well the first thing that happened is the Canadian government said we're gonna shut down for two weeks. And you figure two weeks, yeah, whatever. But during the shutdown, what happened is those two weeks, I wasn't bringing money. I wasn't being necessarily a great husband because you're you're not a nice person when your business is failing. And that's the honest truth. I take full accountability for that. And uh what happened is I went through a divorce and I moved out to British Columbia from Saskatchewan, and I was in BC for two years, and I lived on the side of a mountain, and it was rough, and I could have been better. But I'm not. Uh it it's part of life. You you move on. Wow. Um yeah. Um how much do you want me to give you?

SPEAKER_00 5:04

I that that's just wild to me. Um not only on the side of a mountain, I lived in it. On the side of a mountain, correct?

SPEAKER_02 5:12

For two years, yeah. And not in the back where you'd have like a little tent or whatever. I lived on inside the cab of my truck. The back seat was literally my bed.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

So well, you go from having good income to no income. You do what you gotta do. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

So what did an average day look like for you living in your truck on the side of a mountain?

SPEAKER_02 5:39

So on the side of a mountain, you don't have good cell service, you don't have internet, you don't have any of that. My day looked basically like wake up in the morning, go out to the snowbank because I was that high up, and that was my refrigerator, which sounds completely insane, but go to the snowbank. You make breakfast, and what I would do is I would read. And I would read the different business books because I didn't believe that the world was coming to an end. Yeah, people died and everything, but things had to go to normal again at some point. We couldn't be locked up forever. Um, and that that's been true for every pandemic, right? There was people that didn't move during this the the all the other ones as well. So the Spanish flu, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And and we're actually due for like five per century. Did you know that? Um, but yeah, it's weird. But I'd wake up, I'd read a book, um, and I'd go through my day on the side of the mountain, and and I was pretty solitary. I would call my kids every day as much as I could, and eventually I got depressed because I was away from my children. But I made the decision that I would never miss a child support payment because my kids are more important than my home, straight up, and it's my job to provide for them. They came from my loins, so I better provide for them. Yep, which is a weird thing. And then well, well, the the the days just turned into me learning about myself and and understanding that if I gave up, which I had lots of opportunity to do, I I could have given up so many times living on the side of the mountain, nobody would even know that I gave up. So you just move on and and you you understand that I grew up on welfare. That that's a big part of that. I grew up really, really poor. We had no running water, we had like an extension cord to our house for power. And like growing up poor, you begin to understand that things are gonna get better no matter what. And things can turn really, really bad, but things are gonna get better.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Right, right. Yeah, I think when people hear a story like that, like yours, um, they expect this big dramatic turnaround. But you said it wasn't really like that. It was it was a series of small daily choices.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

It was, it was. Um, so during COVID, uh it was one day after the next, after the next. And my dad was out there, he was talking to me all the time, of course. But really, really, it was finding a job that wasn't to do with what I was doing.

Small Steps That Restart Momentum

SPEAKER_02 8:28

It was going to that job every single day and trying to make the best of it, even though it wasn't something I wanted to do long term. And it wasn't even something I wanted to do short term, but you got to get through what you got to get through. Um, it was an another part of it was I discovered again that I wasn't completely helpless. And a lot of people get stuck thinking that you're helpless. And the truth is you're not. It's finding that one thing where you just one step, you move forward. Um, an example of this during that time is I don't know if it's in my bio or not, but I don't I don't just do stage hypnosis. I actually built a food cart during COVID from parts from the garbage dump. Because I had no money coming in. So I would go to these garbage dumps where they would wreck a camper, I would pull out two sinks, I would pull out the water heater, and I built a hot dog cart. And believe it or not, that hot dog cart, when COVID opened back up, I got it licensed, and it's what was really my financial driver as soon as I was able to go again. Because events still didn't open up for almost a full year after that because people were so worried about everything. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

So I built a hot dog cart from the making lemons out of lemonade or lemonade out of lemons.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Well, actually, the hot dog cart turned into two food trucks, and one of them specializes in lemonade. So, so there's a lot going on. Um, you can go from living in your truck on the side of a mountain, going to the food bank to survive, to having a multiple six-figure income. It does happen.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Every time I hear living in a truck, and I'm not to make light of their situation, but all I can see is Chris Farley and his living in a van by the river and his motivational speaker.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Yep, that that's literally it. Um, yeah. Uh I I also like to think about, yeah, my situation was bad, but all over the world, there are so many people that don't have the resources that I even had to get out of what they need to get out of or to move up. And some of them don't even have the hope. And that's that's sad.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

No, I it's if anything, I think that that, you know, your story about doing what you needed to do just to survive, get through that period because we knew that there would eventually the sum would come out, and maybe it wouldn't be tomorrow, but for sure, you know, one day it would.

Regret, Depression, And Staying Present

SPEAKER_00 11:00

And and and and you wrote um that there were a lot of opportunities to to become angry or cynical or hardened. What helped you resist that? I mean, anybody in your situation would be understandable if you became any or all of those things, right? But you chose not to.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

How what did you do? Don't get me wrong, there's still some bitterness in me, no matter what. There's bitterness in everybody, right? And I I don't think it's actual bitterness. I think it's regret. I think it's regret of not making that relationship work, of not understanding it could be saved beforehand, uh, of of knowing that, yeah, I could be performing shows, but I'm stuck because the government won't let me perform shows. So I I got really sad for a little while because things were being taken from me and I had no actual recourse on it, right? It somebody else made the decision for me. But what really got me through is I was sad for quite a while, probably four or five months, where I was to the point of being really depressed. And my friend Richard, I I would talk to my friend Richard every single day. And even now he he tells me, Jesse, I was worried you were gonna offer yourself. And and that's not me, but what got me through is knowing I've got kids. So I need to get through that, and I need to help them understand the world and that if this situation ever happens to them, which God forbid, I'll be able to help them get through it, like my father did me. And on top of that, I'm gonna try to make sure that this never ever happens to any of my offspring for as many generations as I possibly can, which it sounds weird, but I'm no longer building for Jesse. I am building for 14th grandchild down the road. Um, and I think that's that that's the way I look at it is well, it's I think that's where how people should start to think of it now because if you're and I know people are some people are in some really, really bad, devastating situations, but what are you building towards? What do you want to actually happen and what's that actual step you can take towards it? Instead of getting sad and and and not taking action, take a step, any step.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

That sounds one foot in front of the other, right? Yeah, yeah. Um and you said um Do you think kindness you didn't say I made that up? Go ahead.

Kindness As Honor And Self-Control

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Do you think kindness during hard times is more about emotion or more about discipline?

SPEAKER_02 13:47

I think kindness during hard times is neither of those things.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Neither of those things.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

I think kindness and moving forward in one's life is about honoring your future and the potential of your future, and having honor for the people in your life as well. Because there's only one person you're actually in control of, and that is yourself. So if you're not controlling yourself, if you're not controlling your actions, if you're not behaving in a way that you're proud of yourself for, an honorable way, a kind way, then maybe you need to look at yourself and and understand, is this who I really am? Is this who I want to be? Am I being congruent with myself? And I could never go down the path of of just being a dick because that's not who I am. I I will I will tell people straight up, you're making a mistake by doing this, but I'm not going to discourage them from doing it. We got to make our own mistakes and we got to work our own paths.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

And I think that could be a form of kindness too. And and I I've had this conversation with others. When you say something that somebody doesn't necessarily want to hear, but they need to hear it, that can be kindness too, even though to the person you're talking to, it probably doesn't sound much like kindness, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:19

One of the big things I have with my spouse is telling the truth isn't rude. And she gets mad at me because I tell the child the children the the here's why this happens, here, who, what, why, where, when, how, right? The big questions. And whereas sometimes she'll slough them off and say, This is why you're not, or you're not you're you're just not doing that. I explain the whole situation and why it happens, right? Because kids need understanding, and that's that's the kindest thing you can give them is understanding and how to think critically about a situation, not just don't do that. But how how do you think critically about things? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really cool. Oh, go ahead. And and that's what the truth really is, is thinking critical about things. So that was it.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Absolutely. I one of the things that I'm just talking to you here as bad as it was for you, you still had a community. Your dad, your friend, your kids even. Right? Do you think that played a role?

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Absolutely. Absolutely. If I didn't have the support of people around me, I would have it would have been horrid. Um, it just life would have not continued. But yeah. The kids were the biggest thing, is is I have my little ones and they need to not be part of a statistic or not be part of a something that isn't good for my children. They're they're my legacy. They're they're all I have for the whole world at that point. And uh yeah, yeah, it's just for sure. Uh uh it sounds like an old-fashioned thing, right? Look forward to your heads, look forward to your legacy, but it's just really who I am. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

No, I uh I get that. And as a grandparent now, I'm still feeling

Building For Kids And Grandkids

SPEAKER_00 17:10

that, you know. What kind of world am I helping? You'll get there.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

You'll be there. It's funny. I think about that all the time. My my youngest is eight, and and uh I'm thinking my oldest is 20 now, and well, my one of my spares is 20 now, but he's mine. Uh but uh no, he's 20, and he's got a girlfriend that's 17 years old and she's graduating. So how far away are babies? Probably within the next three or four years, maybe five or six, but possibly, yep. Yeah, yep. So so I look at it like, hmm, what am I leaving for my grandkids too?

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Yeah, exactly. Well, and but you've already gone there because you've gone 14 generations ahead.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Yes. Well, the goal is to to mm maybe not quite that many, but but I I don't want my kids or my grandkids or their kids to have to pay for education. It's it's as simple as that type of thing. So, what can I put in place to be kind to my my offspring and also kind to my communities, you know? To make their life easier.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Yeah, yeah. I know, and and that's I think that's kind of a parental thing, though. It's like your one big driving thing is I want my kids to have it easier than I had it.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Right? I don't know what I can do because I mean I I bought my first house, 23. There's no way my kids are in their 30s now, and there's no way they could buy a house. So did I fail them or yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Well, it sounds weird, but I after inheritance. Well, that that that's kind of what I'm getting to is after after I lived on the side of the mountain for so long, I found a little town that was dying. It only had eight people in it, and I bought two houses for for ridiculously cheap. And now they just sit there. My dad's in one of them. I moved him into one of them because he's 75 and he needs some attention. And I have a second one that we're rebuilding that's gonna be an off-grid type of home where when my kids graduate, they don't have to necessarily go to university. They have the ability to live there for a couple years, rent-free, build up some cash flow, and and understand that they aren't stuck. And we'll talk offline.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

I need the address of that place. I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

It's funny because the two houses I bought were under $2,500, believe it or not.

unknown 19:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

$2,500? $2,500. They they sold them it. They were tax buybacks for everybody. Go look at your tax buyback lots, and you can generally buy really cheap houses for tax buybacks. They'll be broken, but you're smart. You can fix it.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You can fix it. Wow. We have seriously gotten derailed here. Um that's my goal. That's my goal, every one of these. I love it.

Systems, Planning, And Family Time

SPEAKER_00 20:13

So as we as we as we moved along, as we got out of COVID and you started turning around your life, what um what was different about you, do you think? From that point to when go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Yep. What was different is I started to think about things as interconnected. Whereas before, I was not necessarily out for myself, but I didn't understand that it's me that has to take action. It's me that has to save myself, it's me that has to help myself. And I and and that involves helping others as well. And the more that I could help others, the more that I could build systems in my life and in their lives, that sounds weird, but but it makes perfect sense. Yeah. Having a system to get my show booked, having a system to get the food trucks booked, and having dedicated time, and it sounds weird, but a a dedicated time for my family, it's necessary. Um, a lot of people get so caught up in so much things that so many things that they do, but now I know that on a specific day of the week, it's family time. So it doesn't get scheduled for anything else, uh, no matter what. And and to break that, I would have to break my own congruency in my own honor. And it that's really what I understand is making time. And not only making time, but planning time. I guess. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Yes. Absolutely. Um So during that time um there were quiet decisions that you made. I think that's your words, but I'm not sure. Um and they shaped you more than your comeback. Do you think we tend to focus more? Why do we tend to focus more on the comeback than what it took to come back?

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Because the comeback looks fast when it happens. It looks like it's right there. Whereas a career isn't one year, it's 20 years. A life well lived doesn't happen in one day. It's not it's not an Instagram photo shoot. I'm sorry everybody that thinks it is. It's the things that went into that to have that life and and to I I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but I I I really think it has something to do with the time that it takes to actually do something versus the result. People people don't realize how much work something actually is once they see the actual result of it. It's like, oh, I could do that. And and you could if you put in 20 years of effort or you put in effort towards whatever that thing is. But most people aren't willing to actually have the effort or do the effort.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, and I think people might look at you and go, wow, one minute he's living on the side of a mountain. Next thing he's got two food trucks and and booking shows again, and they don't see all of that space in between what it took to get there. Yeah. And they assume it was effortless, or you didn't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Yeah. In retrospect, it is effortless. Once it's systemized, it is effortless. But but but beforehand, holy potatoes getting there. It was a lot of work.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Holy potatoes, that's for sure. I like that. I'm gonna start using that.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Well, it's better than swearing. Is it though?

SPEAKER_00 23:42

No, no. I'm trying to get it. It caught you off guard. It caught you off guard. Yeah, I did. So there are people who might be listening right now who might feel like they're in their own truck on the side of the mountain season of life.

Be Kind To Yourself First

SPEAKER_00 24:03

What would you want them to remember about kindness during those moments?

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Be kind to yourself, number one. Understand that that just because things are happening to you doesn't mean that that is you. There are external forces that you cannot control, no matter how much you put systems into your life, no matter how much you plan for, shit happens. And because that shit happens, you have to understand that that the first person you have to be kind to is yourself. And then once you're out of that situation, you need to look back at those people that were with you and see if you can pull them out of their situations, but also be aware that you need to be kind to yourself. And sometimes people aren't willing to do that, so you have to let them go. Doesn't mean you have to be mean to them, it's just that you have to wait for them to catch up to where you are. Because being dragged back down into to bad time is really detrimental.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

I hope that helps. So be kind to yourself and help others, but be aware that sometimes you can give too much.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Yes. Don't give yourself away.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

Um so do you think during that time that kindness actually changed the trajectory trajectory? I do forgot the night of your life?

SPEAKER_02 25:32

I do during that season? I do, and it it it wasn't just my kindness, it was the kindness of others that that really did. Because I was going to the food bank and I was going to the Sally Ann, and those people treated me with dignity. Yes. And and that told me that hey, I'm not the piece of crap. Because I don't if I don't know if you've been divorced or not, but when you go through divorce, you lose your best friend. You really do. Whether whether it's whether it's uh a long time coming or not, that's the person you're with all the time, probably. So you lose your best friend and you realize they think you're a piece of crap for a long, long time probably. They have think you're a piece of crap. And because of that, you start to think that you're a piece of crap. So so the kindness of others saying that you're good enough, that you can do these things, that's huge. That's that played a major role in in how my whole recovery, I'll call it, was shaped. But also I had to start being kinder to other people. I I I can be a jerk sometimes, and I know that. But I had to start also building different relationships with people, understanding how I could actually help them, and because I was helping them, they helped me in turn. Simple things like I I helped the person make a pig pen for 20 pigs. And and we we did the butchering and everything like that. And because of that, I got food from it. And it was just simply from the kindness. Um, it didn't pay me. It was just here here's half a pig, and that lasts me for about four months. Yeah. Well, it was it was payment and food, right? And and things like I I looked after several people's cabins. I would just go check on them daily. And was I getting payment for it? No, but I was making sure that their water was still running, and I was making sure that their their wood fire on the side of the mountain, right? So I was making sure their house didn't freeze. Uh which which in turn I was just being kind and I didn't want anything back for it. I was just looking after the place for them. So it does play a role, and I still have relationships with those people often. I'll talk to them every month or so, and they help me with certain business things, even. They'll they'll recommend me to people, and it doesn't pan out to be a lot, but it's a relationship you built, and those relationships that's where the kindness can be. So be kind, build relationships, and and I guess this has got a lot about finances, but but prosper from it, right? Yeah. In in not just cash, but in in life. Prosper from that kindness that you saw. Yeah. Sorry for derailing it, that went too too far.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

No, no, no, no. That's fine. You're fine. That that's great advice. Okay, last question. If you could sit down with the version of yourself who is living in a truck on the side of the mountain, what would you tell him now? Just move forward.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

It's gonna be fine. Just move forward. That's it. Keep moving. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Because absolutely. I think that's where a lot of people stall is they don't move forward. They they get stuck in, oh, 20 years ago I was the high school quarterback and and got a touchdown, and that's the highlight of their life. Whoop-de-doo. Yeah. Make another highlight. I don't care how old you are. You could be 80 years old. Make a highlight. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Go with a bang.

Back To Corporate Shows And Booking

SPEAKER_01 29:05

But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Okay, so that's your your story is so amazing and it's so great. But you are performing again. Um, are you performing up in the BC area?

SPEAKER_02 29:22

I'm not. I I I travel across Canada. Most of my shows are corporate shows. So they're they're like private events that there's no tickets or anything for. Um, we we get out like 150 people into a room, like staff members and and employees and and their spouses, and we do silly things. Um, nothing gross, nothing perverted, just silly stuff like driving a car or kung fu or I don't know, machine gun tongue things, weird things like that. But but yeah, it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

So, well, okay, if any of my listeners are corporate booking agents or or you never know and need a fantastic show for your for your team, where would they go to find you and book you?

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Uh Hypnosis Jesse Lewis.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

Yeah, hypnosis jessielewis.com. That's it. And it'll take you there. There's lots of information. Or you can find me on YouTube or Facebook or TikTok or pretty much anywhere, but the website's the best place to go.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Perfect. Yeah. Jesse, thank you so much for taking the time to to share your story. I I really appreciate it. It's such a great, powerful story, and I I I think I know it will help a lot of people out there that are listening to it. The whole reason I do this is to find that one person that needs to hear that message, and I'm sure yours will resonate.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

That's I hope so. I I I don't like to talk about myself very much because it's just me. But the truth is I've probably had a life that most can't comprehend, or or most have never, in the West anyway, have never had that type of hardship. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

And and now people can learn from that.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

Perfect. Thanks so much for your time, and we will talk again soon. Thank you, Mike. You have a good day. You too. Human first.

Reviews, Support, And A Kindness Challenge

SPEAKER_00 31:25

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