Kindness Isn’t A Soft Skill, It’s A Power Move

Ever feel like you’re sprinting through life in the wrong shoes? We sat down with inner glow coach and author Angie Hawkins to unpack how compassion, boundaries, and vulnerable honesty can move you from chasing approval to living with grounded confidence. Angie’s memoir, Running in Slippers, becomes a vivid metaphor for growth: sometimes playful, sometimes painful, always real. She opens up about the childhood patterns that fuel people pleasing and perfectionism, then shares how an emotional rock bottom led her to rebuild from the inside out.

We dig into the difference between forgiveness and self-compassion, especially when “forgive and forget” feels like erasing harm. Angie explains why starting with kindness toward yourself can reduce reactivity, reveal the grief under anger, and allow you to see others’ behavior without excusing it. From there, we get practical: what compassionate boundaries sound like, how to check your tone without watering down your line, and why your emotional safety is non-negotiable. You’ll hear a powerful workplace story where shifting to empathy uncovered hidden fear and transformed a tense relationship—proof that clarity plus care can change outcomes.

This conversation also reframes leadership. Compassion isn’t a soft skill; it’s a stabilizing force in teams, relationships, and communities. We explore how to practice empathy without self-abandonment, how observation builds emotional regulation, and why calm presence can elevate a room more than outrage ever will. Whether you’re healing after a breakup, shedding perfectionism, or trying to lead with heart at work, you’ll walk away with tools to protect your light and still see the human in front of you.

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Transcript

Meet Angie Hawkins

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Welcome to the Kindness Matters podcast. How for two? The kindness change of world. Every week I mean the final item. People and organizations making a positive difference in their community. Cooking that. Because when it comes to kindness, the ripple effect is the limit. Hey, hello and welcome everybody to this show. Thank you so much for being here. Um, if there's one constant among each and every one of us, it's that life is busy. Um, whether you're an empty nester or a mom or a dad or of multiple kids, uh there just seems to be not as much time. And to think that you took 30-ish minutes out of your day to listen to this podcast. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. If there's anything you hear in here that um that inspires you or uplifts you or motivates you, please make sure to tell your friends and family and your coworkers and that guy at the 7-Eleven. Whatever. Um, I have a fantastic show for you today. Uh, on the Kindness Matters podcast, we are welcoming um Angie Hawkins, inner glow coach, author of Running in Slippers, and you know we're gonna have to get into that story, and a woman who helps others break free from perfectionism and people pleasing so that they can live with real, grounded confidence. Angie brings honesty, humor, and the heart to the work of healing and self-worth, and her story of rebuilding her life from the inside out is powerful. Angie, thank you so much for the being on the show. We're glad you're here.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Hi, Mike. Thank you for having me.

The Meaning Behind Running In Slippers

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Oh, it's my pleasure, really. I mean, and honestly, yeah. Okay, so let's just go ahead and get into it. What is what is this running in slippers book?

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Running in slippers. Well, first of all, I'll tell you about the title. I won't the exact story of how it came about is the introduction of the book, so I won't give that away. But in general, running in slippers is a metaphor because I live in Hawaii and we call flip-flops slippers. So it means running in flip-flops, and running in flip-flops just like life, can be adventurous, playful, and fun, or it can be dangerous, painful, and scary.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

It all depends on who's wearing those flip-flops or exactly. I'm a mess.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

But it's a memoir. It covers about a five-year total train wreck period of my life. It's extremely vulnerable. And the reason I wrote it that way is because I feel like we tend to hide behind our social media filters and edits. Even in real life, many people are wearing masks, and we're not talking about the crappy things that happened to us. So it's a book about the crappy things that happened to us.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Certainly you didn't have anything crappy happy to happen to you.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Oh, yeah. Pretty much everything in the book is like really. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Well, now I can't wait to read it. That's just perfect. I had no idea we were going to be hawking this book, but there you go. There will be a link to the book. Is it on your website?

Why Share The Messy Middle

SPEAKER_02 4:44

It is on my website, and it's available on paperback, Kindle, and anywhere audiobooks are sold. And I am the narrator on the audiobook. I know audiobook listeners appreciate that, but yes, it is on Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Nice, nice, nice, nice. So talk to me then um about your coaching. Where did that come from? What do you do? And it inner glow coach, what is that?

Coaching Origins And Inner Glow

SPEAKER_02 5:13

So I help women transform from chasing love and approval from everything outside of themselves to radiating it from within. And it really came out of my own personal journey because I used to be that person. I had low self-worth because my parents were emotionally unavailable. So as a little girl, you know, as an adult, I understand what that means. But as a little girl, I the only way I was interpreting it was that I didn't deserve to be love. So having that belief moving through my life, as you mentioned in the introduction, I was a people pleaser, I was a perfectionist because I was always reaching for things outside of myself to prove my worth. And it was a really exhausting way to live. And for me, unfortunately, it led to an emotional rock bottom. And at that point, I was like, okay, the way I've been living my life has not been working. So I need to do something differently. And I completely turned my life around in the and I was working in corporate America, but I quit my job to start doing this because I know there's so many other women, people in general, but I specifically work with women, but there's so many other people who are living in that space of they're just blindly going through the patterns that they learned as children or teenagers, and they're carrying that into an adulthood. And even though it served us as children and teenagers to survive in our environments, when you are bringing those behaviors into an adulthood as a fully autonomous adult, it actually brings you way more pain and suffering than it needs to. So I guide people through the same transformation because I used to think that happiness and fulfillment was something that wasn't even available to me. But then I turned my life around and I live my life in a space of mostly happiness and fulfillment. That doesn't mean I don't have challenges. That doesn't mean I don't feel like quote unquote negative feelings. It means that I respond to life differently and I can still feel happy and fulfilled despite what's going on, excuse me, what's going on around me. So if I can do it, anyone can do it. So I help facilitate that journey.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

And I think coaches, coaches who have experienced, let's just say, trauma in their lives. They make the best coaches, right? Because they've been there and they've done that. And nobody would choose to be in that situation, but there you were. And and so you actually you bring the receipts, you know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 7:51

Yeah, for sure. Um, and so this is another one in my series. I I was doing a series about how we see oftentimes that that compassion or empathy or kindness are are seen in the world as weak or soft skills, or and and you reached out and and you really you sold me with what you said to me. Um but we we talk about talk to me a little bit about why you think compassion and empathy are not soft skills or weak.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Well, my discovery into compassion started with self-compassion, which actually started with forgiveness, because there were two at the time, there were two people in my life I was really struggling to forgive. And all the messages out there are you have to forgive other people to heal. And I was like in the mix of my healing journey. So I was like, okay, I have to forgive these people. But like the traditional definition of forgiveness just wasn't resonating with me because it seemed to me like you have to like accept that it was okay what they did. And I wasn't feeling that. But then and I read books, like I was researching everything because I was like, but I have to forgive them, even though I wasn't resonating with anything I was reading on forgiveness.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah.

Breaking Childhood Patterns

SPEAKER_02 9:25

But I finally came across this. I don't know if it was a quote or where I saw it, but it was you can't forgive other people because you haven't forgiven yourself. And I wasn't sure what it meant, but that resonated with me. So I was like, okay, I can work with this. So I started focusing on myself and I started because I was a perfectionist and I was always beating up myself and being hard on myself about things. So I went down the road of self-compassion and I learned how to have compassion for myself because at any given time I was doing the best that I could because I was just dealing with my own trauma. And I was just focused on myself for so long and my own self-compassion that finally when I looked at those two other people, because I had like forgotten about them for a while because I was so focused on my own self-compassion. But when I finally did look at them, I didn't agree with anything that they did, but I was able to look at them through that lens of compassion because I was like, hmm, I could see why, because I was a hurt person going through my life. So I was like, I could see why other hurt people go about their lives. And even though I don't understand their behaviors, I at least have the compassion for why it happened the way it did. And I still don't totally for believe in forgiveness, but I do believe in compassion because I'm not acknowledging what some other people do. I'm not agreeing that it's right or wrong or that I agree with it, but I can at least look at it through a lens of like, I could see that because there's just a lot of hurting people and it's expressed in many different ways.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Sure, sure. Okay, now here's kind of a follow-up to that. In your coaching, um, you help women stop people pleasing, right? Yes. Okay. Um, and and start embodying confidence.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

How do you balance compassion for others with the boundaries needed to protect your own light?

Redefining Happiness And Fulfillment

SPEAKER_02 11:40

That's a great question because my this is my stance on it. Your own emotional and physical safety should always be your number one priority. Now, that doesn't mean that you have to like, because I think boundaries can be taken too far. Because some people are like, I'm cutting off everybody, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But protecting your own safety, whether it's emotional or physical, it doesn't have to be rude. It doesn't have to be cold. You don't have to cut everyone off. There is, again, there's a compassionate way to do it. Because one way to look at it is if you are setting a boundary with someone, something I like to do, because I tend to be blunt. So I tend to run this check through my own head, is if I were on the receiving end of this, how would it feel? So I try to word it in a way that it's still protecting my boundaries, but I'm still compassionate to the receiver of the boundary, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

It does.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

Because it doesn't mean you have to be mean.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

No, no. Um, and and and I think that that's a really good point.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Um so uh talk to me more about um coaching women.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

How uh who comes to you? Who says, uh do they ever say, I'm a people pleaser, I need help?

SPEAKER_02 13:02

I've never had anyone say that.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

I was gonna say, nobody ever said that.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

I will say most women who come to me, they've either recently gone through a divorce or breakup because, and I maybe you can provide insight on this. I don't know if men do this, but a lot of times women and relationships, their identity becomes the relationship or they're they are people pleasers in relationships. So they're giving so much to this other person that they lose sense of who they are. So when the relationship ends, they're like, they just feel empty, they don't know their purpose, they don't even know who they are. So they can't even really describe what's going on. They just know they don't feel good and they need help.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Sure. Yeah. And yeah, I I see that quite often. I mean, not not I I am not a coach, I'm not a relationship expert, none of that. But I I do know that to be true. That um and I think it works for men and women. Not sure what they look.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

You know what? I know men coaches, and I feel like men and women are basically Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

They do that too. I think the they'll there are some men out there who will who will say, okay. And I've seen it many times where they will pick up their their partner's speech patterns or whatever, and they just become I don't know I've never known anybody who had a breakup or divorce. So I couldn't tell you what happened to that person after that happened, but yeah. Um so are there any myths? Myths um I'm not enunciating well today, about compassion and and self-love that you wish more people would challenge.

Compassion Isn’t Soft

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Yes, and I have I want to say something for both compassion and self-love. One is on the compassion piece, because I I've talked to other people who struggled with the same thing I did, and I think sometimes, and that goes back to sometimes compassion being viewed as soft, because you're not saying what the other person is doing is okay. Um, and if they are emotionally or physically abusive to you, I'm not saying still engage with them. I'm just saying it's absolutely possible to look at them and be like, oh, they are hurting, and I can see why they are lashing out. It doesn't make anything okay, but it's just looking at them as a human being. Because think about we all have feelings, and if you just boil it down to like that person is angry, that person is sad, that person is whatever, that's basically all it is. So having compassion is basically relating to their human experience.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Sure. And that kind of leads into another question about compassion for people that sometimes we feel don't necessarily deserve it, right? Yeah. Because and there's some awful people out there. Do we have to give them confession? Is that written somewhere?

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Well, I mean like let's look at for instance Hitler.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Um, I'm just trying to think of like an evil person of history.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Yeah, that's a perfect example.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Like they I is I think this is true. Like, didn't he have like a shrunken testicle or something?

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Or because I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

But there there is a psychology to that though, because something within him he didn't feel manly. So think of like so again, I'm not agreeing with anything he did, but he was so hurt and had that like ego injury about him. So he like lashed out and did something powerful outside of himself. And again, this is like a perfect example of dysfunction because if he did have this going on within him, he needed to resolve it within itself. But I could see if he had like that self-worth wound that he would be acting outwardly to display his power to cover up for that. Again, I'm not agreeing with anything he did, but like on a basic human emotion of having low self-worth, I'm like, yeah, I could see why he's acting out. Another way to look at this is because that's how a child would act, right? Like they have that like hit to their ego. So then they want to act out to counteract it. So, and this is how I look at like you see like the videos of like Karen's in the wild, like throwing a fit. When I see that, I just see a child. And that's how I can look at them with compassion because I'm like, they're just regressing. And again, I'm not saying I agree with it, but they're just regressing to that child instinct of acting out based on whatever their trigger is.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

That sounds like an impulse control problem.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Well, that too, that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not, it's definitely dysfunctional. I'm not like arguing with that.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

And and it's not saying you bake them a plate of cookies or anything, but you can understand why they're doing what they're doing to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Yeah, because they're human beings. And it's like, yeah, okay, they're regressing to being a child who doesn't have impulse control, who doesn't understand how to regulate their emotions. It doesn't make it right because as an adult, you have accountability for those things. But as a human being, I can have compassion for some of the things that are going on.

Self-Compassion Before Forgiveness

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Yeah, yeah. Um so have you ever had a client who who, as you were coaching them, said, you know, I feel like if I show empathy or compassion to to someone that hurt me, that that would make me weak or vulnerable.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Not explicitly, but I think like one thing that happened with a client is that because I try to get them to get to this process of looking things through a lens of empathy or compassion, but some people swing to anger or one of those emotions. But then the underlying thing about it is grief because sometimes sometimes there's like a lot more to these situations because like a coworker is different than like a divorce or breakup, but with like a divorce or breakup, like you're basically grieving who you thought that person was. So you have my point is you have to peel back the layers of these feelings before you can really truly look at the person as a fellow human being without the emotional stories that are attached to them. So nobody has explicitly said that, but you get the idea through this emotional experience that they're going through to peel back the layers of the onions to get there.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Yeah, I I can imagine that that would be that would be really hard. Um just, you know, this person hurt me so bad. I cannot well forgive.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

You can't get back that around that story, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Yeah, yeah. Um so can you think of any small everyday ways that our listeners could maybe practice compassion for those people who who frustrate or challenge them?

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Yes. Um, and it is not easy because I still struggle with this, but because trust me, if you leave your house, you will encounter situations where you need to practice compassion.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

But the best this is I'm good then because I never leave my house.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

Well, even just watching the news sometimes. Even I think the safest first step, because when you're in the mix of a situation, sometimes it's hard to see it this way. Yeah. So the the safest way to start practicing compassion is observing, because even then, if you leave the house, there are plenty of opportunities to observe people who are angry, maybe being mean to someone else. Like if you're waiting in line, you will see someone being mean to the cashier. Sure. But so that would be a good opportunity to observe, say, in that example, say someone, the person in front. Of you a line is being mean to the cashier. Um, that would be a good opportunity to like look at that person and think about like, yeah, you know, I know how it is sometimes when I've had a really bad day, and then all this other stuff happens, and then I take it out on the wrong person. So, and again, like it's easier to do as an observer, but then once you get in that habit, you can start doing it in the situations that you're directly involved with.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Are you saying you should say that to the person who's being mean to the cashier? Um you're not saying you should step in, or you're just or is this an inner dialogue thing?

Boundaries With Heart

SPEAKER_02 22:41

I struggle with that though, because there have been times where I've thought about stepping in. My problem with that is people are wild cards. Um, that could be putting yourself in physical danger. So I I don't recommend that. Because even I don't do that. Um, but just go through that pro thought process. Pretend like you're um, because I actually used to do this like in the early parts of my healing journey. Like observe situations like you're a national geographic recorder. Because you know, like they're in the brush of like whatever's going on and they're just taking observations. So start viewing your life and situations like that. Like take all of your stories and all of your feelings aside and just be the observer. And that helps a lot because you can start seeing people way more unbiased that way.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Yeah. Observing people in the wild.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Yeah. And you can really, I think you learn a lot about yourself and you learn about other people that way too, right? Because you you look at somebody's behavior and you go, I would never be like that. Or I could stand to be more like that.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

Yeah, actually, that's a good point. Because if you're only focused on the mean people or the people who are acting out, that's all that you you see. But there's also you will also witness kind of compassionate people in the wild as well. So use them as role models.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Yeah, for sure. Um so how can people extend empathy without abandoning themselves or especially for your clients, falling back into people-pleasing behaviors or patterns?

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Yeah, I think that goes back to your own emotional and physical safety should always be your number one priority. So that usually nips um self-abandonment in the bud. That's not to say, like, even I get pulled into it sometimes. So, like, this is something you always have to be aware of and maintaining, and it gets way easier over time. Um, but it gets so much easier. And then because of that, because you're kind of putting this emotional boundary or barrier between you and that other person, that makes it so much easier. Because again, when you have all these stories in your head and you're in the heat of the moment and you're feeling all these things, this just fueling the stories, you're not able to think clearly about a situation. But when you have that emotional intensity down and you have that emotional protection around you, it's so much easier to just look at, again, just look at people as human beings. Like I know we like to identify and put labels and this and that, but at the end of the day, we are all human beings. If you're a serial killer or a priest or whatever, we're all human beings at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Yeah, for sure. Going back to um sharing compassion towards somebody who we've identified as maybe necessarily not necessarily undeserving, can you do you have a story or uh an anecdote of a time when you shared compassion with somebody like that that shifted the dynamic in a in a really powerful way?

Who Seeks Coaching And Why

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Yes. So when I when I was working in corporate America, I I worked for a large global commercial real estate company and I worked in IT, but my function was finance. So I managed all of the financial operations. I worked, there was a handful of teams that I worked with specifically on managing their budgets and helping out with financials. And for anyone who doesn't know, most IT people, they're very smart at tech, but when it comes to money and budgets or whatever, like they're clueless, which is why I was there to help facilitate all of that.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

See, that's why we have people like yourself.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Yeah. So there was this one team that I worked with. The person who led the team, he was always so mean to me. And anytime I tried to explain something, he would just be like really anxious and mean. And whenever he wanted something from me, he would just be like blowing up my phone. I'm not even exaggerating. He would call. If I didn't answer, he would call like 10 times in a row within like 10 minutes. And he wasn't the only person I was supporting. So it wasn't like I was his dedicated support, but he had no, he had no compassion for that. And so I would get really anxious and mad at him. And so, of course, this was not a good dynamic. But then at one point, and when I say the people I worked with, most of them weren't totally clueless. They had some idea of what a budget was or whatever. But he, because he was putting on this front, he was acting more knowledgeable than he really was. So I was meeting him at that facade, but something happened one day where I was like, oh, he doesn't get it. And I could have compassion for that because I'm like, oh, that's why he gets so anxious. That's why he's lashing out at me. And so from that moment forward, I always made sure to explain things more thoroughly, or I would ask him, like, hey, if this doesn't make sense, I can take more time or whatever. It totally changed the dynamic. He was way nicer to me, like everything changed. But it was because I was viewing it through that lens of like, oh, okay, I see what's happening here.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Wow. Yeah. And and and just did how did you come to that conclusion? Did you did you ask questions or I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

There was a light bulb moment, but I will say the that realization came before my compassion switch. So and I don't work in corporate America anymore, but there have been other situations where I have intentionally, like if someone is being reactive toward me or whatever, I have intentionally been like, okay, could they be going through something that's causing them to act like this? And again, that doesn't mean I don't set a boundary because again, my emotional safety is first priority, but it does help me to like kind of process like, well, maybe there's something else going on in their life and they're just taking it out on the wrong person.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Yeah. Yeah. I think that happens more often than not.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Yeah.

Myths About Compassion And Self-Love

SPEAKER_00 29:17

So what role do you see compassion, empathy playing in the future of leadership and personal empowerment? Is there a per is there a space for it?

SPEAKER_02 29:29

I think it's a good thing. I think there's always a space for compassion or empathy, but Yeah, I mean, well, see, I'm off the mindset of you're either contributing because there's a lot of like fear and anger going on in the world right now. So you're either contributing to that or you're contributing to raising the vibration of the universe. And I feel like sometimes people think, like I'll give you an example, like protesting. I think sometimes people think, and this may be controversial, but I'm gonna say it because this is my opinion. They think it's a good thing because they're protesting something bad, but they're just meeting at that same level of anger, if that makes sense, because they're mad at this other party. So they're contributing to the fear and anger. And I think there are ways to lead and empower people that aren't at that level of fear and anger, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Yeah. Okay, so you said that, and immediate uh an image popped into my head immediately. And I you're not old enough to remember this probably, but in the 70s, the the hippies and the and the anti-war protests, and they would go down the line of National Guardsmen putting flowers in the barrels of the rifles.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Oh, I think I know what you're talking about. I was not alive on the 70s. I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

Yeah, like the kind of energy you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Exactly. Like, and now that you bring up the hippies, because it was like peaceful protests. Like, I think we need to go back to that.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

Well, and I yeah, I I I I wouldn't. Yeah, I I think the I think the terms about protests are getting confused nowadays. And and I mean I live in Minneapolis, so the George Floyd stuff, totally not peaceful. I I will I'm for the for the vast majority of it, you know. Uh anytime you have property damage or or things like that, not peaceful.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Um and yet I have seen just people walking along down the street who are protesting. That I think is peaceful. So anyway, I didn't mean to get into that.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

No, that's okay. And actually that's a good point because also I live in Hawaii, so I just see what's on the news.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

And they're gonna do the sensationalized stuff, which is the non-peaceful protest. So that's mostly what I see.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

That's true too. Yeah, you you have a s yeah, I I totally get that.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Um, but in terms of because your question was about leadership, so maybe why aren't why isn't the media showing peaceful protests?

SPEAKER_00 32:19

I don't know that they don't, but I understand why you think that they don't.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

It's not as widely asvailable though.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Yeah, yeah. Okay, last question.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Um, what legacy do you hope your work leaves in terms of redefining strength through compassion and self-connection? That sounded like a totally written-out cause. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

I didn't I wanted to leave the legacy of self-empowerment because again, I feel like it definitely happens in an individual level, but even in other situations, I feel like there's a lot of people or companies or organizations or whatever giving away their power to something else. And it's so powerful to like stand in your own power and what you believe in and loving just loving your own energy and not letting anything else dim your light.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Absolutely. I love that. That would be a great legacy to live, leave, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Yes.

Compassion For The “Undeserving”

SPEAKER_00 33:22

Okay, Angie, thank you so much. I will have a link to the book, Running in Slippers, available on Amazon. I would just buy the audiobook just so I could listen to your voice. Just saying. Um, and I will also have the link to your website, which is also running in slippers.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Running in slippers.com. And actually, if you are interested in the book, I have a tab on my webpage that has a consolidated list of everywhere you can buy my book.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Yeah. So in case you're need help with direction on that, even. And there's obviously information about my coaching and everything you need by the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

That would be the good reason to go there. Maybe I just won't put it in the Amazon link. I'll just put it in your website link.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

There we go. Problem solved. Thank you so much for your time today, Angie. I really appreciate your viewpoint and and and what you brought to this conversation about compassion and empathy. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Yeah, thank you for having me on. I think this is a really important conversation.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

I agree. I agree. Take care, and we will talk soon.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

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