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The Kindness Matters Podcast
The Power of Being Witnessed: Transforming Nursing Burnout
What if the most powerful act of kindness isn't fixing someone's problems, but simply being present with them? Pediatric cardiothoracic intensive care nurse Natalie Miller Binkley brings this revolutionary perspective to life in our conversation about healing, presence, and the unique challenges facing healthcare workers today.
Natalie takes us inside the specialized world of pediatric cardiac care, where tiny patients with congenital heart abnormalities undergo complex surgeries that literally reroute how blood flows through their bodies. She explains why some pediatric cardiac units now treat patients into adulthood - these unique anatomies require specialized knowledge that adult cardiologists simply don't have.
But our conversation goes much deeper when Natalie shares how her experiences during COVID transformed her approach to healing. Working in adult ICUs during the pandemic's darkest days, she witnessed profound isolation and suffering that no medical intervention could fix. This awakening led her to develop a holistic coaching practice centered on a radical idea: before we can heal, we need someone to witness our experience without judgment.
Unlike traditional coaching that focuses on giving advice and directions, Natalie's approach begins with creating space for people to process their experiences and regulate their nervous systems. She explains how many symptoms we attribute to conditions like ADHD or anxiety may actually stem from chronically dysregulated nervous systems - the result of constant overstimulation and pressure.
For nurses especially, the challenges are immense. Many work 12-16 hour shifts with minimal breaks, sometimes unable to drink water throughout their day or even use the bathroom. With unsafe patient ratios becoming the norm, nurses often spend entire shifts distributing medications with little time for the compassionate care that drew them to nursing.
Discover why true kindness isn't always about grand gestures or perfect advice, but creating a space where people feel safe enough to breathe, to be witnessed in their chaos, and to remember they're whole human beings experiencing normal responses to abnormal situations.
Have you experienced the healing power of simply being heard? Share your thoughts and connect with Natalie through the links in our show notes.
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Hello everyone and welcome to the Kindness Matters podcast. I'm your host, mike Rathbun. On this podcast, we promote positivity, empathy and compassion, because we believe that kindness is alive and well, and there are people and organizations that you may not have heard of in the world, making their communities a better place for everyone, and we want you to hear their stories. On this podcast, we talk about matters of kindness because kindness matters. Hey, welcome to the show everybody, thank you, thank you. Thank you for taking 30 minutes out of your time, your day or your evening, whenever you're listening to this, to listen to this podcast. We hope that we bring you some value to your 30 minutes and you will never know how much I appreciate the fact that you choose to listen to this podcast. It's so amazing and, honestly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. And if you find anything in this podcast that brings you value, that is relatable, that uplifts you, feel free to share that with your family, your friends, your co-workers, the guy at the deli, whoever, because you know I like to have a lot of people listening. Right, I have such a great show for you today and my guest today, I'll just go into it.
Speaker 1:Right, my guest today is Natalie Miller Binkley. She is okay, here we go. This is where I could potentially mess this up. A pediatric cardiothoracic intensive care unit nurse based in California, and that alone, I mean that alone, would make me want to have her on the show. I mean, we'll get into that in a minute, but that's not all there is to Natalie, because she is also a healing, holistic, transformational coach for nurses and others. And how cool is that? Welcome to the show, natalie. Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, Mike, for having me. You did a great job with the mouthful of what my job is.
Speaker 1:That was perfect okay, so I know what cardiothoracic is right. But, I've never put that together with pediatric. Are there a lot of babies?
Speaker 2:or children, small children, that need heart surgeries, lung surgeries yeah, so Go ahead. It's very different in pediatrics than it is in adults. You know, adults' hearts are more like you have heart attacks, blocked arteries and that kind of stuff. So the surgery is a bit different, whereas in children's a lot of it is congenital, so the heart is not formed properly during, um well, their time in utero, um, and there's a ton of different congenital abnormalities and it impacts the way that their blood flows. It can impact blood flow to their lungs, um, so yeah, we see a lot of like pretty much every child who comes to us has to have surgery.
Speaker 2:And then occasionally we'll get someone who was not a congenital heart baby and developed maybe cardiomyopathy from the flu or maybe has some experience with I mean, I think one time we got a kid who was hit with a baseball to the chest and had a funky rhythm or there's just some random things that'll cause cardiac stuff. So we've seen a lot of interesting things. But, yeah, most of it is able to be diagnosed, luckily prenatally, when they're in mom's tummy still, so mom and dad have time to prepare for, okay, we're going to have to have surgery and what the course looks like. So it's. Yeah, it's really great that we can lay that out for them so they know what to expect.
Speaker 1:That must. That type of work must be simultaneously heartbreaking and satisfying, right? Heartbreaking? Because here's this kid, especially for babies. They have no idea and they probably still don't. They'll never remember it, more than likely. But yeah, now what is the definition of pediatric? How old are you when you get out of pediatric?
Speaker 2:I laugh because this is something that's changing.
Speaker 2:No, it's just changing. So I think everyone's initial thought would be obviously newborn to 18,. Potentially Some might say loosely you can go up to early 20s. However, with the cardiac side of things it's dependent on hospital. I work at two different hospitals. One of them accepts up to like 30, I think maybe 35. And the other one just increased the age to 40.
Speaker 2:For pediatric Well, for cardiac pediatric like yeah.
Speaker 2:So the reason is because these congenital abnormalities that we see, adult cardiac or cardiologists or intensive care doctors aren't familiar with the different anatomy of these children because they have surgeries that basically reroute the blood flow through their heart and have different.
Speaker 2:It's called a shunt, but you could think of it like a pipe that basically goes from different places that connects and so because they have a special anatomy and with the medical and surgical advances they're living a lot longer than they used to. So we're having to adjust our patient population and there's been a lot of talk around this subject because obviously they will have comorbidities, or another word for just like other ailments that can progress as they age. And pediatric nurses and doctors might not be as familiar with some of those comorbidities because children don't often have them. So it's new this whole taking care of adults thing, but yeah, so I think loosely in the cardiac world it is a lot older than what you would think um pediatrics is, whereas in not cardiac I would say it's probably mid twenties, like 24, 25. And that's just with um congenital, you know, defects and stuff that kids can have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that just made me think. My stepson, my wife's son, was born with a bicuspid aortic valve, and, you know, they said at some point he may need surgery to correct it. Right, but he's doing fine. He's 36. That's the kind of patient you're talking about, though right.
Speaker 2:So his actually could just be a valve replacement, which is not necessarily pediatric. It's more of like the kids who have to have complete anatomy changes, which is it's really difficult to explain without pictures because I'm more of a visual person.
Speaker 1:But yeah, wow, and you mentioned comorbidities.
Speaker 1:I learned that word during COVID yeah, right a lot, a lot of people yeah yeah, because, and and being a, it's stressful enough, as it is right, but COVID, kind of like, took it to a completely different level as far as stress goes. Is that where you started to have your your things? What? Yeah, the guy with words can't think of a word um, your your feelings, like maybe you know what we need as a coach, what I need as a coach, what my co-workers need as a coach, and I could be that coach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think COVID definitely helped that transition along. I don't know if I would have found this route without it. I actually was in the adult ICU during COVID. I wasn't in pediatrics at that time. It was after quote unquote COVID ended, that I switched to pediatrics back in 2023. So it was really hard in the COVID adult ICUs.
Speaker 2:I, you know, saw things I didn't really ever think I'd see, and going through that from the nurse perspective.
Speaker 2:But also, I mean, I have a huge heart, which is why I'm a nurse.
Speaker 2:But seeing what patients go through being alone you know families on FaceTime, patients who were just left there, patients who didn't have COVID and couldn't have family members, and you know families dealing with death over the phone I mean there's certain things where, yeah, you kind of just watch everyone in this really traumatic state for a prolonged period of time and you realize there's no real fix, right. And I think this is where I transitioned to coaching, because I kind of saw, as we talked about themes, that kindness and presence, right. And I think, more than anything, as a nurse and a coach, I am very committed to just holding space for people when life gets heavy, and the kindness doesn't have to be big gestures. It's just about being in the moment with people and as a nurse and coworkerworker, I'm there in difficult times. And it's not about the fixing which you know. Everyone always is like oh, what can I do for you, how can I be there? Or I'm sorry you're going through this and yeah sometimes it's just recognizing like your feelings are valid.
Speaker 2:This is difficult. I don't know what you're going through because I'm not you, but I can be right here alongside you and witness that. You know emotion and just be someone present.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I was just. We talk about this a lot on this program and, like I always say, I'm going to end up saying this now in two episodes in a row. But the kindest thing you can do for another person is just being there and being willing to listen without judgment, without you know, because there's no shortage in this world of people who will go. Well, what you need to do about that or how you should be handling that, is blah, blah, blah, blah blah, and that's not kind. But being present, being available, being willing to listen to this person's, another person's issues, whatever they may be, and you know, but that's the's, that's the definition of being kind, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's hard too because, um, you know a lot of nurses and I think a lot of people in general can relate to this. I say nurses, cause that's what I relate to the most. Um, being a nurse myself are high functioning. You have all these things that you need to do. Your job is critical. People are relying on you left and right. You're at the cornerstone of all things happening with the patient. The doctors come to you, the physical therapists come to you, occupational therapists come to you. The physical therapists come to you, occupational therapists come to you, um, family comes to you, everyone's coming to you and through you, and so you're managing a lot. Um, they're very high I said this already, I think high functioning.
Speaker 2:But and even when we're running on empty, right like we put aside everything I think parents could probably relate to this, this anyone who's a mom or dad or caretaker of someone else in their family, whether it's a parent or a child, and you run on empty and it isn't the advice or motivation that you need in that moment of feeling overwhelmed.
Speaker 2:It's actually just a moment to breathe and to be witnessed in that chaos and to feel safe in your body again and being someone who can like help co-regulate that with other people and be like that calm presence, like making sure I'm monitoring my breathing and my body language and helping people realize that it is a safe space. I think that's the real gift you know, like we're talking about is just being present and helps them realize you know they're not broken and they're not, you know, needing to be fixed, because they feel this inner sense of overwhelm and burnout. They just need a moment to breathe and be witnessed that they are experiencing this, because it doesn't feel the same when you do it alone. We're meant to be social people.
Speaker 1:You're absolutely right and, yeah, I think maybe doing it alone probably has its own sets of issues. When you're coaching now, and when I think of coaches or coaching, I think of somebody who's, and this is probably not right. So if there's anybody else that feels this way, let this be a correction for you. But you know, they do a lot of talking and they say, okay, you need to do this and this and this and this, try this, not that. But it's not all like that, is it?
Speaker 2:No, and it's so interesting because sometimes I really struggle with the word coach because I don't personally feel like it aligns with what I offer. And I mean I, you know, I love. I'm a big runner, so you know, I would love to hire a running coach, you would love to hire a health coach to, like, lose weight and give you all this advice and stuff. And you know, do this, do that. And when you think of a coach in sports, they're doing all the same thing, you know, telling you what to do, Um, but for me, my, my coaching is being that witness.
Speaker 2:First and foremost, Um, it is a collaboration with my client. I just am there to listen and what they think is correct. Because, to be honest, we're all whole. You know we're all perfectly whole and complete the way we are. I think getting back to ourselves and having that space to explore that is really important. And I, you know you might wonder why people fail when they do go through programs of, you know, health and fitness training, and it's because was that person really working with the person they're coaching to find something that aligns with what works in their life? Right? I have a lot of trust in my clients that they know the answers. We all know the answers to our own issues. You might need a little help getting there. You might need a little someone to be your cheerleader, which is something I love calling myself everyone's cheerleader, remembering your voice and building that confidence back up.
Speaker 2:So I think, yeah, a witness, a cheerleader I don't typically tell people like what to do. We shape it together and it's something we build and I think that is that comes from my background, I think as a nurse and transforming into a, a coach. You know, having that, right, um, now.
Speaker 1:Now you refer to yourself as a healing slash, holistic slash, transformational coach. Do those things fit neatly together, or are they three separate practices? That's not what I wanted to say, but that's the only word that comes to my hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I talk about all of them because words hit differently with different people. I think healing at its root you know you think about healthcare is what I think about is healing Like you're sick. You need healed. As a coach, I don't utilize my nursing license. I'm not giving any medical advice under my coaching like hat we'll call it when I have my coaching hat on. It's no medical advice, it's purely just me being there.
Speaker 2:Holistic is something I would like to see in healthcare, because this is me taking all sides of the person you know as nurses. You know we might be nurses in by trade and I think it's very american as well to you know, you ask someone, oh, what do you do, or who are you, and they say, oh, I'm. You know I'm an investor or I I'm an engineer, or, and we define ourselves by our jobs. Um, and something I'd like to bring back is that holistic nature of it is like more, who are you on, a deeper sense of being, um, you know what makes you up, not just like that you're a daughter or you know a father or a son or a husband or, um, a friend, but that you're confident, that you enjoy doing. You know traveling or running, or you, you know what makes you the person you are and I, holistic coaching is so important to me because every different person, every person, sorry has different aspects that make up who we are, aspects that make up who we are, and so I try to take into account, you know, our social health.
Speaker 2:You know, are we being proactive in the community? Are we involved? Do we have friends? Do we have family that we can rely on? Financial health, emotional health, um and other. You know just the multifaceted areas of our lives, right and then transformational. I just feel like being with someone who is your witness and cheerleader. It's hard to not be transformed in that time. I've had many people say that it's just so nice to have the space. They don't realize how much they need it until they have it, and then they're like God, I just needed that 60 minutes to just like talk and be listened to and like actively listening. You know is something so big.
Speaker 1:Are resources available for somebody like you, for for the nurses? I mean, I'm sure there's a mental health department, that that is available to nurses or to all hospital staff? Really I'm sure. But but yeah, that sounds like maybe maybe each hospital should have like a little room where you can just go in and decompress, for you know, I don't know, that's because nurses have their own unique set of I don't want to say issues, but look, I said it, even though I didn't want to say issues, but I'm oh, look, I said it even though I didn't want to say it, but I mean, if you're coaching a nurse, the average person on the street is not going to come into you and go.
Speaker 1:they're not going to have the same needs Needs. There's a word I was looking for that a nurse might have right Needs needs.
Speaker 2:There's a word I was looking for that a nurse might have, right. Well, I'll go back to. Every hospital should have a little nice like detox room kind of thing because, that would be great. There are some hospitals that do have that. I did travel nursing for a bit and I did it. You know, some places have um a little massage chair in the break room or something like that, but um, yeah, you would think that there would be resources for nurses and I think that's something that post-covid is we're building awareness around it because it didn't used to be like that.
Speaker 2:Very few and far between hospitals offer resources for people and I will say majority of hospitals that do offer these resources for nurses are the large university hospitals that have more funding than, say, like, the smaller hospitals.
Speaker 1:It all comes down to funding, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, and we're, you know, slowly but surely there's, there's other nurses who are like me that have gone through coaching, training and have been building out programs in their own hospitals and spreading awareness. So it's coming. It's just not as fast as obviously it would be, you know, liked to be implemented. But, um, and then back to the nurses have our own set of difficulties or needs that average people might not have. Yeah, it's really hard, because I also I don't want to discount anyone else's experience, right. So I think, having been a nurse working bedside, I see people coming in and you just never know the life struggles that everyone has. So I don't want to say that people don't have, you know, I think everyone could benefit from something like the type of space that I can offer. But I also think where you're correct in saying, like, nurses have maybe a unique set of needs that need, yeah, and it's very specific um, a lot of nurses I talk to are like, oh, yeah, like therapy is great and I've done therapy and you know therapy has its place um, but I think this is where the nurse having someone who is also a nurse to talk to is honestly a huge game changer.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, because I relate to the 12-hour shifts, 13-hour shifts, the overtime, the 16-hour shifts when you stay over. I relate to working night shift. I relate to the meal prep. I relate to not being able to have a water bottle all day. I relate to not being able to go to water bottle all day. I relate to not being able to go to the bathroom, like. There's certain things where it's like you nurses, just get other nurses, you know, and you have to have someone like that who understands the whole part of being a nurse at the bedside. We need to back up.
Speaker 1:You can't have a water bottle all day.
Speaker 2:We have hydration stations set up in the unit, which is very common, so your water sits at the hydration station. If you have a busy day and your water is not near you, you never drink the water, you never go to the bathroom. I'm spoiled. Being in california, the breaks that I get are mandated and there's like laws, I'm pretty sure. But when I worked back east, I mean you would go the whole shift with you know your 30 minute break would be at your desk desk overnight.
Speaker 1:Charting or something yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, eating bites in between, so it's crazy yeah.
Speaker 1:That blew me away. When I heard you say that, I was like wait what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's. I mean, I know here in Minnesota one of our nurses unions just threatened to strike because a lot of it these days is staffing, isn't it? That's a huge sticking point for nurses, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say patient ratios is where that stems from mainly is safe patient ratios, which ends up being a staffing issue.
Speaker 2:But the safe ratios is what's important because we want to make sure that we, you know, have the time to take care of the patients the way that they deserve to be taken care of.
Speaker 2:And you know, I'm I mean I'm I don't want to say everyone's had an experience in a hospital, because I realize how not everyone has had an experience in a hospital, it's just my day to day.
Speaker 2:But you know it's really hard to be in the hospital or a family, have a family member in the hospital and think that you're not being seen or not being taken care of and, as a nurse on the other side, realizing, like when am I supposed to have time to like really truly make a difference if I have, like on a med surge floor which is just like the regular units, not ICU, they might have like eight patients, seven or eight patients, and at that point you know you've got seven or eight patients, that you have eight o'clock meds, nine o'clock meds, 10 o'clock meds, and then by the time you finish that med pass, then you're starting your noon med pass and then after that you're starting your dinner med pass and when are you finding charting that you're starting your dinner med pass and when are you finding you're spending your entire shift handing out meds?
Speaker 2:yeah, and it, it, just it. It's really hard because, as someone who does have a lot of heart and like loves being a nurse, um, you know I want to be there for people and I again this is why going into coaching kind of healed my heart a little bit and I can be that for other nurses. But yeah, the safe patient ratios One day it would be great if this was a national thing, but maybe one day we'll get there.
Speaker 1:So what would be ideal Like two to three patients per nurse. Is that too low?
Speaker 2:I mean, it would be great it depends on what unit you're on right. It does, yeah. So I think med-surg maximum would be great with five. I would say, five sometimes is even hard, but I think I'm not sure in California what the maximum. I think I'm not sure in California what?
Speaker 1:the maximum I know we have?
Speaker 2:we're the only state in the country with patient ratios right now, and I think it's yeah, yeah, and I think it's five, it might be six, but I think it's three to four, and then ICU is one patient or two patients if they're not critical, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my poor nurses. I told you that story. I owe nurses so much because I was the patient from hell when I had my bypass. I'm pretty sure they wanted me to like leave, like get them out of here. We put that alarm on that chair for a reason, sir. I didn't realize what color slippers I had on. If I had to go, I had to go, just saying, anyway, that's neither here nor there. I love your focus on on being present in the work that you do because, honestly, that is kindness in action, right, and I really appreciate the work that you do. I'm sure your fellow nurses do as well. But it's everything that this show is about. It's about people just taking care of other people.
Speaker 1:And you do that as a nurse and you do that as a coach, and so you're you're a double threat.
Speaker 2:I also wanted to add, I think, something important on the topic of like healing and being present, you know. And back to coaching and making progress with clients. I think the amazing thing about being present and allowing people to process and just witnessing it can help regulate their nervous system, and I don't think we all realize how dysregulated our nervous systems are just on a daily basis. And so how can you expect someone to heal with a dysregulated nervous system? And again, that's why I think my coaching is so different is because I allow them the space to process first and then, once we are through the processing of all the, you know, overwhelm and burnout, then we can finally work to regulate your nervous system, which allows like a deeper and more extensive like progress through the healing you know, like it just is different than the band-aid that we put on it with other things, and when you can heal from your nervous system, it's, I mean, it's life-changing. That'll be so healing for years to come when you work from that inner peace.
Speaker 1:Bear with me what does a deregulated nervous system look like.
Speaker 2:It can be people thinking that they have ADD, adhd, overwhelmed, constantly thinking about a to-do list, fidgeting, not being able to sit still high heart rate, high blood pressure, headaches, you know, and how it's healthcare right. We're always like, oh, you might have this, you might have that, you might have this, or, you know, take a medicine. Medicine or and that's kind of where I come back to the holistic side is when we're overstimulated right from media just sound. I mean, I've got construction and you know we're on social media and all these things that we feel like we have to do um, you constantly feel behind, you feel like you're falling behind or you're not doing enough, and it's.
Speaker 2:I mean, I just think everyone can relate to that feeling right Of just like, oh, I need to do this, or I should catch up with this person, or and they start, you know this thought process in your brain and then you're like, oh, oh, I want a moment to breathe. And then our moment to breathe is sitting on the couch watching tv or, um, you know, scrolling on our phone, yeah, um, and sometimes even reading a book, like that's still stimulation, your mind is still being activated and um.
Speaker 2:So I think a dysregulated nervous system can be so much right, I mean if you really it could be chest pain, it can be upset, stomach headaches, um, and so it's really connecting back with your body, um, and healing that through you know, once you have to be in a space to be ready for that right, like I can't just take someone and be like you have a be in a space to be ready for that right, like I can't just take someone and be like you have a dysregulated nervous system.
Speaker 2:Let's get to work on that, um, and that's where the kindness and presence starts. Right is. I'm starting with just being here and and a witness, and then after that, and after they've processed what they need to through space and presence and time, then we can move into. Okay, what do we need to heal on a deeper level, where we can rewire our nervous system and not get so over activated about little things or put our brain back into, like that you know, to-do list mode and and it takes time. It's not something that's just like a one and done fix, but the thing is is the more we work at it, the easier you recognize it and the faster you can flip back into a regulation, as with anything right.
Speaker 1:The more you practice it, the better you get at it. So are you saying I wouldn't need my amlopidine?
Speaker 2:Amlodipine that's right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2:No medical advice. That's a I'm kidding, I'm kidding. No medical advice.
Speaker 1:That's a new one for me, that's just within, like the last couple of years, I'm like you say what I have never had high blood pressure.
Speaker 1:Before in my life, it's always perfect 120 over 80 every single time. And then, like two years ago, my cardiologist was like I think you might have high blood pressure and for those of you listening at home, I just rolled my eyes and mouth the word whatever. No, thank you so much for coming, taking the time, natalie. This has been really enlightening and I will have you have a coaching website or no?
Speaker 1:I do yes that link will be in our show notes. I don't think I've gotten it from you yet, but we'll get it afterwards. And yeah, if you're feeling overwhelmed and stressed out to the max and this is a virtual world now right, so you could treat anybody anywhere, correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do, mostly virtual. I've been working on building out communities so I just love surrounding myself with people.
Speaker 1:And especially if you're a nurse. Yes, if you're a nurse.
Speaker 2:I have a free Facebook group where I do monthly group calls.
Speaker 1:Every month I'm going to need all those links.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can send them to you, yeah.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for taking the time and speaking to me for a little bit here. I really appreciate it and I appreciate what you do.
Speaker 2:This has been so amazing. Mike, Thank you for having me on. I've had so much fun talking to you and getting to know you through this.
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