The Kindness Matters Podcast
So. Much. Division. Let's talk about how to change that. Re-engage as neighbors, friends, co-workers and family. Let's set out to change the world. Strike that. Change A World. One person at a time, make someone's life a little better and then do it again tomorrow and the day after that, through kindness.
Kindness is a Super-Power that each of us has within us. It is so powerful it has the potential to change not only your life but those around you, too. Let's talk about kindness.
The Kindness Matters Podcast
Mastering Skills, Building Community, and the Power of Kindness with Sarah Stewart
What if mastering multiple skills could lead to a richer, more connected life? This week on the Kindness Matters Podcast, we're thrilled to welcome Sarah Stewart, a remarkable individual known for her boundless kindness and diverse talents, ranging from photography and travel writing to homeschooling and entrepreneurship. Sarah shares her thought-provoking journey of honing various crafts with intent and passion, all while reflecting on how the pandemic has reshaped our social interactions. Learn from her insights on breaking societal norms and the profound value of lifelong learning.
Board games aren't just a pastime; they're a gateway to human connection. Sarah takes us into her world of over 1200 board games and annual family trips to the World Board Game Championships in Pennsylvania. This vibrant community event contrasts sharply with the competitive, often isolating nature of video games, highlighting the importance of kindness and responding to those who reach out. Discover how these games, and the principles they embody, can foster a sense of community and support that's increasingly rare in today's fast-paced world.
Wrap your mind around the transformative power of genuine listening and creative expression. In this segment, we delve into the importance of authentic, attentive conversations and how asking, "How are you, really?" can change lives. Sarah also introduces us to PolyKindred, a collective that nurtures artists through community and shared endeavors, underscoring the indispensable role of creativity in human life. Concluding with a discussion on the uplifting power of positive interactions, this episode is a compelling reminder of how small acts of kindness and the joy of creativity can enrich our lives and those around us.
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Speaker 2:Kindness, we see it all around us. We see it when someone pays for someone else's coffee or holds the door open for another person. We see it in the smallest of gestures, like a smile or a kind word. But it's different when we turn on the news or social media. Oftentimes, what we hear about what outlets are pushing is the opposite of kind. Welcome to the Kindness Matters Podcast. Our goal is to give you a place to relax, to revel in stories of people who have received or given kindness, a place to inspire and motivate each and every one of us to practice kindness every day.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to the Kindness Matters podcast. I am your host, mike Rathbun, and, as you noticed from the beginning of the show, we are a member of the Deluxe Edition Network of Fine Podcasts and, as such, the Deluxe Edition has a podcast of the month every month, and this month that podcast is Take on the World. Mike D and Johnny take on everything the world has to offer. Everything the world has to offer Movies, cryptids, music, conspiracies, ufos, relationships, food, pro wrestling and so much more. Their opinions are raw. No topic is taboo, except for politics and religion. Tune in and enjoy. Also, please make sure to check out the show notes, where you'll find links and discount codes for two companies I partnered with Sunday Scaries, a company that makes broad spectrum CBD gummies, and Coffee Bros that make an amazing blend of coffees. I use both of these products and they are nothing short of amazing.
Speaker 2:Now let's get into the show. Hey, hello and welcome everybody. We have a fantastic show for you today. You know, when I have guests on and I usually sometimes they have a bio they'll let me choose from when I do an intro for them when I write it up. The woman that I have on today I would love to do a bio for her, but it would take probably the whole 30 minutes of this episode. She's a photographer, she's a homeschool mom, she's a travel writer, she is an entrepreneur, she is a gamer, primarily board games. She's a history aficionado, she's a foodie, she's an artist, but mostly and this is the thing that brought us together she is, and always has been, all about kindness. Welcome to the show, sarah Stewart.
Speaker 3:Thank you for having me. So nice to see you again.
Speaker 2:Wow, there is no way somebody could just put you in a neat little box, is there?
Speaker 3:No, no. I really don't like being stuffed into boxes and I think a lot of us we spend our time kind of living inside of a misery box that we're told we have to be in all the time, not realizing that that box is not locked and it doesn't even have a cover. You could just step out.
Speaker 2:So that was an intentional thing You're like as soon as you got pretty good at something, you went nope, I'm doing something else now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, there's that whole. You know jack of all trades, master of none thing.
Speaker 3:And I think that that fits here, but that that is intentional. I I certainly have things that I am very good at. I'm not sure that I would say I have anything that I'm excellent at, except for maybe connecting with people, because that's been sort of a common thread throughout all of the things that I've done. But I kind of lived all of my life learning new skills constantly and chasing certificates like it was some sort of disease, and that's served me very well. I like learning new things, I like having more ways to help people and engage with people, and that's just, you know, the crux of how I live.
Speaker 2:And really that's what it's all about, isn't it? I mean, and for a while there, you know, during COVID it was, meeting and engaging with new people was kind of frowned upon, and I don't know that I ever got out of that. Stay at home, don't go out don't wrinkle.
Speaker 2:I wish I could say that I was better at it, but I used to go to a weekly well twice monthly networking event for the Chamber of Commerce for my paying job, if you will and I loved those. It was fun to get out and meet those people and, you know, enjoy a breakfast with them and just talk. I have not done that since. Well, it was probably actually a little before 2020. It was probably actually a little before 2020, but still, yeah, I had a coffee with a friend months ago. Months ago, and, aside from going out and doing our job and working and occasionally my wife and I own a home cleaning business Occasionally there will be a client home and we will chat and engage and that's lovely, but I don't seek out those things and I don't know why. Because it sounds so attractive, right, it sounds so nice.
Speaker 3:It does take some work, though, right, it takes work on your part to find a thing and go do that thing, arrange things with people, and it takes mental energy, it takes physical energy, so sometimes it feels like it's not really worth it until you're there. So I think we allowed ourselves to get into that habit of not really, you know, getting out of the hose and connecting with people, and it's easy to keep that going once you've started. Yeah, Cause it it it does, it gets kind of comfortable there, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:maybe you don't get that, but I.
Speaker 3:I certainly have days where I don't necessarily want to leave my house, like don't get me wrong, and and sometimes I don't, although I am surrounded by 10 other people in my house. So even if I don't leave, I'm am surrounded by 10 other people in my house, so even if I don't leave, I'm still socializing, unless I stay in my bed.
Speaker 2:That's a busy house. That's one busy house right there.
Speaker 3:It is, it is. It's a lot of logistics.
Speaker 2:There's a heavy, heavy amount of scheduling going on there right, yes very much. Everybody knows where they're going to be at what time.
Speaker 3:Theoretically.
Speaker 2:Wow On paper yeah.
Speaker 3:Doesn't always work out perfectly, but you know we do our best.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about a few of these things. You're a travel writer.
Speaker 3:Yes, so that came about in a very interesting way. I have a question that I always ask people when we're playing the question game. I have a game I like to play with people to get to know them, where I ask a question and then we both have to answer, and then you do the same, and we just do that back and forth forever until we both get bored. And one of my favorite questions to ask in that game is if you could be doing anything with your life if someone came to you and said you know, I'm going to just fund you for a couple of years while you chase your dream and get established. What is that dream? What does that look like? And so I asked that question to someone and then realized I wasn't really quite sure I had an answer for it. So that's one of the first times I got to think about oh okay, so what is my answer to that? And I said well, I think I would be a successful travel writer. That would be really appealing to me. I love traveling, I love connecting with people, I love writing, so that's a great goal for me. It's a natural fit.
Speaker 3:Sure, I think it was three or four days later, maybe it was in a very short amount of time, it might have even been sooner than that. I got an email from a place that I had applied to travel right for and I forgot. I even did it, like it was just one of those things in passing where sometimes applications for things will come across my desk and I'll just apply for things willy nilly and literally within like less than a week of saying that that's what I was doing and so that I was travel writing regularly, uh, even during COVID, because I was doing things that were accessible from where I was in Canada so it allowed me to see a lot more of my local area, because I was writing for a Canadian travel company that was specifically focused on Canadian activities and then sort of branched out from there to doing more freelance work for other publications.
Speaker 2:That sounds fascinating. I guess it's on your dime to travel.
Speaker 3:It depends. So it really depends on what you're doing. So sometimes I will travel somewhere knowing that I already have a couple of articles that are pre-approved for a publication, and so I know that that's covering, you know, whatever travel expenses I would have to pay for. Often I'll find attractions or accommodations that want to be highlighted in some way, when I I'm not just offering to write about a place, I'm also a professional photographer. I photographer, I do video, I there are lots of other things that I can offer, so I'm usually trying to barter in some way so that I can do the things that I enjoy, that are cool, while also, you know, not breaking the bank wow, yeah, because that I mean I used to love to travel.
Speaker 2:I would road trip for you know, I used to, because I'm up here in Minneapolis, the Minneapolis area, but I'm originally from Montana, and I would just get in the car and go. Oh yeah, it's about a 12, 14-hour trip and it's across North Dakota, so I mean you're not really missing a whole lot. Oh, I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 3:I love. North Dakota Do you? Yeah, it's pretty.
Speaker 2:The only fascinating part of North Dakota are the Badlands.
Speaker 3:Yes, I mean that's really what I went there, to be fair. Okay, all right, I mean that's really what I went there to be fair.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I find, I find beauty and art everywhere.
Speaker 2:So you can. You have a very unique ability to look at something and and the average person might go well, that is the homeliest thing I've ever seen. And you, Sarah Stewart, can look at it and go the average person might go well, that is the homeliest thing I've ever seen. And you, sarah stewart, can look at it and go absolutely not. That is beautiful. Look at this and this and this lichens. I believe you're a big fan of.
Speaker 3:I love my lichens yes, I, I find I we could have a whole entire podcast about lichens. No, I really get very excited about lichens for a couple of reasons. Lichens no, I really get very excited about lichens for a couple of reasons. They're really super cool. Like from afar it just looks like splotches of color on a tree or a rock or wherever they're, everywhere, uh. But once you get up close it's like a tiny alien landscape. So it's, it's just that, you know, splash of surprise in the world, which I really love yeah but.
Speaker 3:But also they're they're pretty understudied, considering they're actually a very important part of the environment. So I kind of really enjoy things that there's still more to learn about.
Speaker 2:And I think that's what drives a lot of this, isn't it? For you is your desire to learn.
Speaker 3:Yes, always. I mean, I think that it's important to always be learning, whether it's, you know, learning new things or learning about ourselves. Introspection, I think, is very important. So a big part of my life has always been thinking about why I'm doing what I'm doing and how it's affecting me and the people around me, and learning and growing from that. And then I then take that out into the rest of my life too and find things that interest me, things that will help my family.
Speaker 3:I remember I took my teaching I'm an archery coach solely because I my my daughters would learn archery with my uncle in Nova Scotia, but we only went there a few times a year and they really liked it and I wanted to be able to support their interest in between as well, and so I just went and got certified to coach archery uh, not because there was any other real reason for that, but because it was an easy way to, you know, help the people around me. And so I've. I've done that quite a few times literally just targeted I'm going to go do this training because it will be helpful to someone near me.
Speaker 2:That that's I. I cannot grasp, I cannot get my head around the energy in you. It's just. I don't think I've ever met another human being. That is like.
Speaker 3:Literally, you are the human embodiment of the energizer bunny well, yes, but I also do take a lot of time to rest.
Speaker 3:I, I, I work hard and I play hard, but I also, when I say rest, you have to understand that a lot of my work probably doesn't look like so I I am often still doing things and I I do admit that I probably could use a little more actual rest in my life, you know, going somewhere and not actually doing any work or engaging on a deep level with people, like actual rest. I'm not sure I do a lot of that unless I'm really really ill or injured.
Speaker 2:So that's something I'm still working on yeah, yeah, I mean maybe, maybe, if you were injured, that would be some higher powers way of saying you need to slow down I've thought about a few times. I have yeah um so, tell me about gosh, tell me about everything. Um, okay, you're, and I said you're a gamer, but I had to, I had to preface that with primarily board games.
Speaker 3:You're not, you know, you're not xbox kind of gamer well, there's a reason for that so no, but very deliberately, because I I had some times in my youth where I lost a lot of time to video games and I really like video games and I like video games a little too much. So once I start, I just need to finish. So I decided quite some time ago that maybe video games weren't for me at this season in my life and maybe they'll loop back around sometime. I'm not going to lie. I have a few games just saved on Steam waiting for a day when I'm not too busy, so like when I'm 90 or so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, but board games, board games, yes, that is something that you know. I sit down for a half an hour to two hours and play with people and connect, and then I can step away from it if I need to. So we have 1200 board games in our house, and probably over 1200 now I haven't counted in a while. Uh, literally every room in our house, I think, has board games on some shelf somewhere, and we go to the world board game championships every year their whole family and take part in that where is that held?
Speaker 3:in pennsylvania actually really yes, so we've been going there for years. It's been going on forever. Uh, it before it was that it was avalon con. You remember the old avalon hill games, like they had had a convention and then it just rolled into being broad for more games. But now there are 120-some tournaments every year. It's 10 days at an off-season ski resort and there are 120-some tournaments. You can take part in whichever ones you'd like. There's also a big open gaming room so they have a huge library to pull from if you don't want to do competitive gaming. And then it's an off-season ski resort, so there are lots of other things to do too. There's a spa, there are a couple of pools, bowling, an arcade, a whole bunch of outdoor activities. So they have an alpine slide, euro bungee, rock climbing it's a really cool 10 days. Euro bungee rock climbing it's a really cool 10 days.
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Speaker 3:It is, it is and it's. The first games of the day start at 9 o'clock in the morning and the last games start at 11 o'clock, so it can be a very long day too yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, and I used to play board games Not as much anymore, oh, who am I kidding? Not at all. But I remember. Oh shoot, Now I'm going to. I forgot the name of the game Risk. Oh, oh, shoot, now I'm going to. I forgot the name of the game Risk.
Speaker 3:Oh, Risk yes.
Speaker 2:I remember being involved in like a week-long game of Risk one time, and it was the most exhausting, exhilarating week of my life.
Speaker 3:Well, honestly, some people go there just for the war games. So upstairs, away from all of the board games that only take, you know, half an hour to two hours, there's the war gaming section. So all of these giant tables set up and people are literally there playing one game for almost the whole entire time. It's madness. That's certainly not for me. I find it really interesting to watch sometimes and I have Wargamer friends and it's interesting to listen to, but I don't think I have it in me to sit and do the same thing for 25 hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, there's that, okay, yeah, well, there's that. Um, okay, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause myself for a second.
Speaker 3:You go ahead and oh, oh, it's a moment, okay, uh. So well, we've lost mike, so you what that mike's gone he's gone.
Speaker 2:He's gone, he'll be back. So, and all of this is all wrapped around for you, I get the sense, this sense of kindness, of being kind.
Speaker 3:It is. I think we don't have enough of that in the world and I think that there's. I'd like to also point out there's a difference between being nice and kind, uh, but, but I think kindness is something that we don't have enough of, that connection between people that's so important. We we're really taught to isolate ourselves, to isolate our family groups and then to compete for resources, which is pretty much the exact opposite of how we all succeed as people. We really need more collaboration and kindness.
Speaker 3:I couldn't tell you the number of times that I talk to anyone who reaches out to me, and sometimes it might take me a while to get to all of the messages, but I make a point of it to always respond to anyone who makes an effort to reach out to me.
Speaker 3:And you wouldn't believe the number of times where that has made such a difference for someone just having someone to connect with for a moment, a difference for someone just having someone to connect with for a moment. And you know I'm sure you've seen on the internet that there are lots of times where you know ladies will get very inappropriate messages from people on Facebook or wherever, and usually the answer to that is block, but not for me. So I I actually my way of dealing with that is to say, okay, well, that's interesting. Why don't we have a conversation about why you felt that was an appropriate way to start a conversation with a stranger? Oh, really, and you might be surprised at the results of that. About 80% of the time, the answer really just boils down to I needed to feel some connection to someone, and this was the only way I could get it.
Speaker 2:That's incredibly depressing it is sure, and I know my wife. My wife likes to play the bubble games on her tablet and and or no on her tablet and and or no, oh, it was words with friends. That's where it was getting.
Speaker 3:Oh, I love that game.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's so good at it too, um, but she would always get messages and she had her name, her name, her actual name, that I don't know, that it necessarily sound there. There's a gender to that name it's marty like marty graw okay and yeah, if she was playing a uh, somebody that was easily identified as a male, um, and they would invariably hi how you doing? You know, I I don't know that it's been worse than that, but it was annoying to her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't really think we automatically label a person like that as a creep or something, something negative, and we don't stop to think that perhaps that person, any interaction, would be what they were looking for Not necessarily what we think they're looking for.
Speaker 3:Yes, people are so isolated, like so incredibly isolated, and it's so. I had a conversation with someone once where I was promoting an event and I was, you know, inviting people on Facebook, and someone reached out to me and said will there be any LGBTQ people there? And I said, well, let's start with why you're asking. Do you want to know because you want to know if there's anyone there you identify with, or do you want to know because you want to avoid it? If there are, right, you know, let's, let's, let's assess why you're asking first, and then, and then we'll, then we'll answer your question. And so it was the bad one, and you know that that's all right. So, okay, let's, let's then have a conversation about that.
Speaker 3:So we, we started to just ask some questions, okay, so why does that make you uncomfortable? Okay, why do you feel that all gay people are bad and evil and mentally ill? Like, let's, let's talk about this. Okay. And so we had a conversation and about an hour in he said you know, I really want to thank you for actually having this conversation with me, because, by the time, like, no one ever gets this far, because as soon as I say anything negative, people just start calling me names and disappear, and so we talked a bit more and I said Well, you know, you've established that you really enjoy talking to me and that you think I'm a good person. I'm also as queer as they come. So now, how do you feel about that topic, right Like, let's explore that? Obviously not all gay people, right Like so.
Speaker 3:So let's think about that for a moment, and so it was just really interesting to have that kind of a conversation with someone who clearly has a very different opinion than I do. But at the end of that conversation he said you know, I feel like I should tell you this At the beginning of the day before I had a conversation with you, I was planning on killing myself later tonight, and now I'm not going to do that and that's not the only time that's ever happened by me just having a conversation with someone, people are not feeling like they're heard, people are isolated, people do not have enough connection or enough kindness, which I think is why that's so important in my life, and it sort of underscores everything I do. You never know when just something as small as having a brief conversation with someone can change someone's trajectory.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. I saw something the other day. It might've been a pin, it might've been a bumper sticker, I don't remember, but I thought we need to have more of that. It said how are you dot dot dot really? And that is so important and so necessary. I think we're recording this in september, which isness Month, but it probably won't go out until October but, still listen.
Speaker 2:you know, and that really is such an important thing, and I used to think about this how we all go about our day, right, and when we were in the office if we were ever in the office and you'd say how's it going, and then you'd stop walking right we never stopped to listen to that response. And how much better so many other lives would be if we just stopped and listened to that response Absolutely, and actually listened too.
Speaker 3:I think one of the best things I've ever heard is are you actually listening or are you just waiting to respond?
Speaker 2:Yes, are you listening to respond or are you listening to understand?
Speaker 3:So I think you're right. We just need to make a little bit more effort to listen to the people around us. And I, I, I couldn't tell you how many times I've asked someone oh, how are you? And they've said oh fine, or everything's good. Like, are you sure? Because it doesn't really seem like it. Like let's ask one more time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that seems like a really hard thing to do because you don't want to be seen as being nosy or whatever the case may be. But yes, that little follow up.
Speaker 3:Are you?
Speaker 2:though.
Speaker 3:I usually let people know, like not everyone wants to talk about their problems, but if I can sense that someone is not quite doing okay, I'll never push, but I will always let people know. You know I'm here to listen and help if you need that, uh, so come to me if you want. But I don't never any pressure to communicate unless you're really close with me, and then there's a little bit of pressure to communicate.
Speaker 2:You'd better, oh, um yeah, because yeah, that's, um, you'd better, oh yeah, because yeah, that's. I could go on and on. Just there's a whole lot of other things I have on my list of things that talk to us about, because I can't let you go without plugging something. The pop, is it? Poly Polykindred, thank you. I was thinking polykindness and I don't know why. The polykindred market.
Speaker 3:Yes. So we do a lot of things like we've discussed and by me I mean we, I mean me and then everyone else sort of in my community. So lots of people who are makers and do cool things, consult on different topics, lots of people who are artists. So we have our little arts and consulting collective of poly kindred where we sort of pull that all together and we have we have an art show coming up in October. We just finished doing a little project where we, over my birthday, we all painted everyone who showed up at my birthday we painted dolls and we sent them out into the community with little kindness affirmations attached to them for people to find and come back and tell us you know something positive about their week. So we try to, you know, engage in community in any way we can support each other in artistic endeavors, because it's hard as an artist to actually make a go of it. So the more support and community you have behind you, I think, the easier that gets.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, absolutely yes, you have somebody pushing you, holding you accountable. And, yeah, I wanted to be an artist when I was a kid still, my dad and he said you know why they're called starving artists, right?
Speaker 3:you know what, like you wouldn't believe how many times I've heard that exact story and it makes me so sad. You know, art is such an important thing for humans, not just, you know, not just actual visual art, but dance and singing and music. Those are all things that we have come to think that we have to be really good at in order to do. We have to be able to monetize it or be excellent at it. No, go sing badly, go make some crappy art. That's still really important. Go sing badly, go make some crappy art. That's still really important. It's that process of creating that's so important to our souls as humans that we're just ignoring if we're not great at it and can't make money from it oh, absolutely, I totally agree.
Speaker 2:Is is podcasting? Is that an art form? I?
Speaker 3:would say that feeds my soul absolutely it is, and if it makes you happy, that's what's important it is.
Speaker 2:whatever you say, it is. That's right. Uh, it was I. I just I'm like jazzed right now. I feel like I need to go out and build an Eiffel Tower or something. I'll help, just talking to you, what's that? I said, I'll help, you'll help, let's go Do it. Thank you so much for sharing time with me today, sarah. I really, really appreciate it. And keep doing what you're doing. Man, I don't know where you find the energy, but I love what you're doing. Man, I don't know, I don't know where you find the energy, but I love what you're doing. I love what you're putting out in the world and and just keep that up. We'll have all of your, all of your links in the in the show notes and thank you so much for sharing with us today.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much for having me, mike Nice, to see you.
Speaker 2:Nice to see you too. Take care, bye-bye. Wow, I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I've drank about five shots of espresso. Right now, I am just wired up. Amazing conversation with Sarah Stewart. She's so full of energy, and listening to what she does, it just boggles my mind. I get worn out and yet energized at the same time, right. I especially like what she said towards the end of the conversation, though, when she was talking about dealing with or listening to people.
Speaker 2:Even if it's online, you never know who you might, whose life you might make a little bit better just by engaging in a conversation with them, and I think that's going to be one of my takeaways. I'm sure you'll have your own. I'd love to hear about it. Drop me an email at mike at thekindnessmatterspodcastcom, or DM me on one of my social media platforms Facebook, instagram, tiktok, you name it. We're there. Follow us and let me know what your thoughts are. I thought it was a fantastic conversation, but all things must come to an end, and that's the end of this episode for this week. I'll be back next week with a brand new episode. In the meantime, though, be that person who roots for others, who tells a stranger, that they look amazing and encourages others to believe in themselves and their dreams. You have been listening to the Kindness Matters Podcast and I am your host, mike Rathbun. Do me a favor and have a fantastic week.
